Red Eclipse

by **Dziq** » 10 Mar 2016 21:18

last update: 04 V 2017:

latest changes:
-mapmodel: 5 new models as one set - boiler,3 different pipes and valve
-merged : ladder, concrete barrier and fence01 set is now merged to game master branch
-mapmodel: metal_cover

nothing new really here, all still available on github . You can download this repo and put 'dziq' folder in your RE/data or in your RE home directory to use my assets
For now no screenshoots, I will prepare and post new screens later (maybe ;p)

Below are commands for my models if someone wants to load them one by one (or use "/exec dziq/models.cfg" to load them all):

mmodel "dziq/bench"
mmodel "dziq/bench02"
mmodel "dziq/ceil_fan"
mmodel "dziq/concrete_barrier"
mmodel "dziq/deco_tech01"
mmodel "dziq/deco_tech02"
mmodel "dziq/fan_blades"
mmodel "dziq/fan_case"
mmodel "dziq/fence01/fence01_a"
mmodel "dziq/fence01/fence01_b"
mmodel "dziq/fence01/fence01_gate"
mmodel "dziq/fence01/fence01_pole"
mmodel "dziq/glassdoor01"
mmodel "dziq/ladder01
mmodel "dziq/lightcone01"
mmodel "dziq/lightcone02"
mmodel "dziq/lightsquares"
mmodel "dziq/metal_cover"
mmodel "dziq/pipe_set/boiler"
mmodel "dziq/pipe_set/pipe_a"
mmodel "dziq/pipe_set/pipe_b"
mmodel "dziq/pipe_set/pipe_c"
mmodel "dziq/pipe_set/valve"

Any suggestions/questions/requests are welcome

by **bonifarz** » 11 Mar 2016 10:03

Hey, that does not look bad.
So, this is all your original art? Be sure to include a license (e.g. cc-by-sa-4.0).
Why no screenshots for the mapmodels? I like them.
Maybe thumbnails make sense for the previews here. (Smaller images with a link to the full size image.)

by **Dziq** » 11 Mar 2016 16:45

Thanks Boni for a little preview.
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I working on next textures, these from package will be updated too, especially rock and metal surface
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One texture is from Red Eclipse itself (I used it as a base for my version), rest of these textures are my doing.
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I'll update first post when next package will be updated, maybe one week ?, I plan to make grate textures from scratch because its now look terrible, also I'll add new textures, tweak existing ones and put one ladder model, I know ladders are nice made from just geometry, but model should look better, more curvy and with ready skin for it.
stay tuned

by **blakthunder** » 12 Mar 2016 02:30

From the texture previews, I'm really liking the rock wall. However, the brushed metal tile seems very... flat? Or it needs more reflections? I'm not sure.

Like boni mentioned, it'd be nice to see some model previews without having to install the set and view in RE. Not to discourage you, but I believe ladders are done with geometry because they work with the climb material better, as you may have clipping issues with a mapmodel. Anyways, looking forward to your next works.

by **Dziq** » 12 Mar 2016 15:49

hmm thanks for looking at these, you mean whiteish brushed tile? Ok, I do something to make it look better along with other ones.
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About ladder model. I dont think there will be issues with clipping because we all can use clip material.
Hmm maybe another model ? proposals?

by **SniperGoth** » 12 Mar 2016 21:42

by **qreeves** » 14 Mar 2016 04:34

by **bonifarz** » 14 Mar 2016 07:50

I should add a small "pick" menu for the flags attribute of mapmodel entities. (EDIT: )
Suggestions for more models? You could try to make some funny vanities

by **qreeves** » 15 Mar 2016 00:43

Always room for more vanities :P

by **Dziq** » 16 Mar 2016 01:05

Vanities? hmm not now. .. I think its much harder to do than simple map models.. yes?

Anyway, package v1 released. First post updated

by **shirepirate** » 16 Mar 2016 01:42

one thing to note, an imperative deciding factor in committing new assets to the game (as a general rule, anyway) is whether they are included with a new map. unused assets are useless until someone uses them, after all. unnamed has notably taken great advantage of this with his very large assortment of textures

by **Dziq** » 16 Mar 2016 02:10

There should be one package in game, like Community package, for mappers use ;p
Now, there is too few models and textures of some type. But I just cleaning here with my mop..

by **qreeves** » 16 Mar 2016 07:07

by **restcoser** » 16 Mar 2016 15:58

When i have a new release one of the first things i browse through is new textures and models. (and looking through the entity lists and so on), and if a texture is good i think it will eventually be used. sooo that policy is slightly strange for me.

Although i should probably just add textures and models that others make to my homedir, as in, stop being lazy ._.

by **Iceflower** » 16 Mar 2016 15:58

Thank you very much for this package!!!

by **bonifarz** » 16 Mar 2016 20:35

Good stuff, dziq!
Those brick walls look splendid.

by **Dziq** » 26 Mar 2016 19:45

Im still working on this package, I'm like to do as much as possible in order to make these textures to be ideal (or almost)
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On screens below you can see some examples how I'm tweaking textures, almost every one is changed now - but please do not download package from first link to see changes, its still an old version. People interested in this package should wait a bit more for next release I guess

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PS: someone interested of these kind of trees?:

by **Iceflower** » 27 Mar 2016 23:42

Mee MEE MEEEE!!!!! Iam interested!! I would need them sooo much for a map!

*give me* *give me* 8-)

by **bonifarz** » 28 Mar 2016 10:25

As I said when you showed me the previews earlier, I really do like the idea of your palm tree. Can you make a second model with a slightly curved trunk?
I'm looking forward to your next update on the community repo.

by **Dziq** » 28 Mar 2016 18:48

next version of package is near complete
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-changed all names to lowercase as Quin suggested
-tweaked textures so many looks better now
-new showcase map
-few new textures
-few new models, including two kinds of palm tree
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@Iceflower: wait a day or two for next release

@boni: something like this? (first is just a normal version. Second one is more curved, taller and have thinner trunk, and little rearranged leaves too)
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by **bonifarz** » 29 Mar 2016 07:06

The two palm variations look cool. What I had in mind are those tilted and bent trunks you know from beach postcard images. I don't say we need that, it was merely a suggestion

by **Dziq** » 01 Apr 2016 15:08

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@boni: Done, it is ok ? xD

ok. jokes aside, I can do a more angled trunk too, but what about collison box ? I dont know what to do with this.. maybe scrap that bbox and dont care about that ? hmmm :roll:

edit: another one in production (only I finish this and package will be ready):
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by **restcoser** » 01 Apr 2016 16:56

For redeclipse models, always try to do some collision box, if map authors dont like it, they can change the model to be noclip.

by **Dziq** » 01 Apr 2016 17:46

All of these models have collision boxes applied, only light shapers not

by **bonifarz** » 02 Apr 2016 09:00

by **restcoser** » 02 Apr 2016 11:24

Uhm... what? examples? wut

by **Dziq** » 03 Apr 2016 00:22

nothing special about it.. on screens above you can see how lights can be directional, without linking to lightfx. examples are in testmap btw. everything is in first post

by **Zero** » 04 Apr 2016 02:50

Amazing work Dziq.

I hope these get into the new release if you would allow it.

by **Dziq** » 05 Apr 2016 00:48

Thanks Zero

RE is not a sandbox so its a 'zero' chances to see these in official release, maybe in future when I made a map with these (or more maps) and devs include that map.. Or when community repo content will be accessible from game as additional downloadable data (maps, assets, scripts etc)

I working now on set of 3 pipe models:

by **bonifarz** » 05 Apr 2016 07:13

by **Zero** » 05 Apr 2016 16:30

I love some of the textures and the map models. I to want to add some right away. But hate to add them to a map and the assets not be coded in the release or development so everyone would have to download more then just the map files. I have yet to download them. Just love the previews. I'll check out this update and will wait on the new one. Keep up the good work.

Edit: Ok so I just checked them out. Gimmie Gimmie! Love the light effect models. Love it all. I want to add them now to.

3 Questions:
Let's say I was to add these to a current map and not a new one. what would I have to exec.

And let's say I wanted to add the update that you release later. Would this mess up the map config with textures and map models with the older version? I'd love to add some but scared it'd mess up my map.

If or Once it's added to dev version. Would I have to replace the model placements because it's been recoded in the .cfg's?

I'm thinking the last two questions are kinda maybe a no brainner that it will mess things up till it's released in the dev version. I guess I'll just wait. It's like having a bunch of half open presents that you can't touch.

Either way, Can't wait.

by **Dziq** » 05 Apr 2016 19:36

Thanks for encouraging

I still have many things to learn and there is a place to improve this package, maybe I add animated models. Imagine palm leaves so these moves like on wind.. hmmm :ugeek:

@bonifarz: Im happy you liked my trees so much ;p

@Zero:
Q1: "Let's say I was to add these to a current map and not a new one. what would I have to exec. "

Just do "/exec/dziq/models.cfg" or "/exec/dziq/textures.cfg" while in game

This will do not mess with your current map.
If you plan to use a palm tree only, rest of the models will be discarded from map.cfg when saved. The same goes for textures: /texturecull will remove unused textures from map.cfg

Q2: "And let's say I wanted to add the update that you release later. Would this mess up the map config with textures and map models with the older version? I'd love to add some but scared it'd mess up my map."

All models and textures in current package have lowercase names now, I dont plan to change names so dont worry.
Each new release should add more models and some textures without messing existing ones.

Q3: "If or Once it's added to dev version. Would I have to replace the model placements because it's been recoded in the .cfg's?"
I think not, because even if included, all paths should be the same, but maybe devs change something. I don't know, but probably not
Remember that you can easily replace all similiar models to new ones just with mouse wheel and holding key 1 or use boni's menuses.

by **bonifarz** » 05 Apr 2016 20:05

Don't worry too much, Zero. The most common way to mess up your map is to insert or remove textures or mapmodels in the cfg manually, such that the ordering does not match the slot numbers anymore. But if you just add them at the bottom or /exec a config of extra resources (which does the same), you should be on the save side. Worst thing that can happen is that other clients that do not have the package get a texture error or some missing mapmodels. And as dziq stated, if the path for the new resources remains the same (e.g. home/dziq becomes data/dziq), nothing will need to be changed in a map that uses them.

by **Zero** » 06 Apr 2016 00:48

by **Dziq** » 06 Apr 2016 01:05

Thanks for testing package Zero, if you found any issues please give a word

I should mention earlier that these light shapers are only prototypes and these definitelly will be changed later.

I dream of ability to scale models on any axis, for models like these light shapers its should be ideal

by **Zero** » 06 Apr 2016 04:09

No issues so far. All ligns up nicely and the collision boxes are on point. That's fine. If you happen to have them later in the package with same license. I'd love to have them on the map. That would be super useful with the axis.

It's looking too good, I'd love to release this also as a example map tomorrow if you don't mind.
And definitely give you credit in the license.

by **Dziq** » 06 Apr 2016 06:01

You are welcome to use that package as you want, licence will remain intact and if you prepare a example map, then give a link or something :p
Also yes, scaling mapmodels on each axis will be very helpfull but for now Its not possible

Anyway I'll be glad to see which textures/models people like the most, so I can do more usefull things. Maybe I start learning how to make vanities or probably in near future - a new weapons

by **Zero** » 06 Apr 2016 16:04

Sweet, Thanks Dziq. I was playing with it last night and was like I hope Dziq allows me to do it. Lol I'll share a link and let you do something with it.
I'm siked for you. You do good work. I'll play with the map a little more then release and share a link. I'll also keep in touch on these version updates to keep the map up to date.

Always excited to see new things.

by **Dziq** » 08 Apr 2016 19:45

Zero, this package is public so.. no need for permision to use ;p

new models in progress.., set of 3 pipes (straight, 90 degree curved and 180 U -type. Also 1 valve mesh and new bench:

by **Zero** » 09 Apr 2016 05:39

Sorry I like to stay cautious.

Love the progress.
Newest map release is up with "DziqPak_v2".

If you do not have this map assets pack, you will see empty spaces and not
get the whole potential.
Download the Map Assets above.
Check out the example map with some of the assets in game: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=854

by **Iceflower** » 20 Apr 2016 20:31

Thanks a lot but you forgot to upload the textures.cfg in the github repo?

And the command is: /exec dziq/textures.cfg

by **Dziq** » 07 May 2016 15:06

Yeah I forgot somehow, thanks

. Now its ok

I added names and polycounts on every model (first post and one above).

by **bonifarz** » 23 May 2016 16:10

I have the feeling that some of these would be nice to have, even if they are not used in an official map yet. For instance, the vegetation models could fit well on some outdoor areas, like venus or tonatiuh. The wall textures with those nice normal maps seem useful, too. Maybe they could serve for some map retexturing, I don't know.

by **qreeves** » 24 May 2016 00:50

Yeah it is more of a matter of someone who knows what they're doing to go through and pick out which ones. I've been slammed lately.

by **bonifarz** » 24 May 2016 15:52

Very true. And I really did not mean to distract you from finalizing the release. This is good stuff, it's available here and on the community repo... and we can still include it any time later.

by **SniperGoth** » 24 May 2016 15:53

I vote for dziq's assets to be added ^^.

by **Zero** » 24 May 2016 21:03

by **bonifarz** » 25 May 2016 09:39

by **Dziq** » 25 May 2016 16:37

what about volt_sign, ivy, hanging greens, girder ? these have only a few tris.

@Bonifarz: Im reworking hydrant now, mesh is ready (530 tris, earlier over 1700). it just need new unwrap and paint it

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I dont know what to do with palm trees, since I want these to be animated, but I have issues with importing these to RE properly, so I guess these can wait more

by **Zero** » 26 May 2016 02:15

I used the fire hydrant and many others in Hostile. Love it. I tried to do it in geometry. Didn't look as good as Dziq's version. Plus it helped bring down the triangles. I find it's use very useful in city/urban scapes. That would be a mapmodel worth keeping in my opinion.

The boiler could be more useful if it had a extended pipe so the map makers don't have to do that in geo. Way of being connected or feel more alive and that it should be there.

Deco_tech02 is a bit of a puzzle. Looks cool but don't know where I'd add it.

The rest of the map models look amazing. Animated models are always nice. For people who have the option in the game where the interface or player moves in idle. Makes tree's look animated. But would be nice to have some actual swaying plantation.

The textures look more 3d and realistic.

Can't wait for this to be moved over to the new version of R.E. Vote +1

by **bonifarz** » 26 May 2016 07:03

As you guys know, I'm not an expert in this field. I just looked at your numbers and pointed at some meshes that look as if they could be optimized considerably. Actually, I guess this is also the case for the voltage sign, which indeed has a light vertex count, but a trivial shape (except for the round corners, which probably look fine with less detail). It's just not that important to tweak, as it will be used sparingly anyway. And palm trees are nice, even if you cannot include the animations yet.

by **Dziq** » 26 May 2016 20:49

volt_sign have 152 poly, its like nothing O.o
I'm finished hydrant, now its 530 polys. Now it's time for a boiler and new pipes set since these have too much tris and don't fit well with that boiler thingy

by **bonifarz** » 11 Jun 2016 09:42

I have just seen that some of your work has been included

EDIT: Uhm, I don't know why, but git pull & git submodule update did not fetch the contents of the new submodule.
EDIT: Ah, never mind. A simple git submodule init fixed this

by **Dziq** » 11 Jun 2016 17:08

I didn't expect that honestly

big surprise for me when Shirepirate informed me about that

Anyway I'm happy with that, especially with textures that I like, these are now included and can be used for mapping

Thank you guys for support until now

I'll update hydrant model to that new-lowest-poly one when I resolve just one texture issue, of course I'll show it here first.

PS:
please someone put hydrant on a map and tell me if you see "white lines" where UV seams are ? (especially when looking more from far). its only for me (hardware) or maybe RE rendering messing this up ?

by **shirepirate** » 11 Jun 2016 22:12

that model is already added to Center, and I see no abnormalities

by **Dziq** » 12 Jun 2016 14:46

its 1700 poly IIRC, later I reworked hydrant to something like 400 tris, so update to new one or that one existing is ok with that polycount ? (new one is uglier, less details _ but its look ok and allows to put more of these on a map)

I just looked at Center, and why hydrant is taller than player itself ? xD please use scale 100 to make it look at proper size

(also just two of them ? there are few spots that hydrant might fit nicely too around this map

by **shirepirate** » 12 Jun 2016 19:56

update it with the lower poly count. you can adjust the scale but 100 seems a bit small, one thing you might not have realized about RE is maps are generally not close to fitting the player scale. this is because it isn't easy to perform the parkour maneuvers with such a small playing area. so models in general should fit the size of the geometry around them rather than the player.

by **shacknetisp** » 12 Jun 2016 21:13

I also thought the hydrant was too large, at that scale it contrasts with the map a lot and doesn't look too good.

by **Dziq** » 13 Apr 2017 00:09

How do you people think about ladder model ? its seamless (as much as possible) and can be used like fences or something, ladder01 have 48 tris, totally "hand" painted from scratch, hope someone like this mesh.
Quick note: All my models that are not included in game can be found in RE/community repository , hit green button and download as zip if you need

First post is updated with new info too

for now just 3 screens showing how this one looks:

as ladder:

as fences:

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by **qreeves** » 13 Apr 2017 05:16

Looks great!

by **SniperGoth** » 13 Apr 2017 13:00

I agree, looks great ^^

by **Dziq** » 16 Apr 2017 01:21

thanks, maybe include it in game then ;p ?

anyway, Im fixed that ugly hydrant, it have even less tris now (by ~20), nice normalmap (better than before

and mask file for nicer specular reflections
Earlier I was a total noob at 3D painting but now results are a little better I think, no ?

that brown one is current one:

by **Zero** » 17 Apr 2017 06:50

Everything looks sweet. Huge improvements and add on's. After seeing the ladder I have a small request lol.

I know you're busy with other things but maybe like a chain link fence or something lol There are no blockade like fencing in RE. Only thing to do is increase the size of a grate which at a higher scale looks too thick to be a fence. And creating one in game takes up too much triangles or something for detail. Not sure if that's the same for map models.

by **Dziq** » 18 Apr 2017 15:21

I don't really know what you need Zero, something like that ?

by **bonifarz** » 18 Apr 2017 20:01

Looks splendid, dziq.

That's flat geometry with clever use of an alpha mask and bumpmaps on the texture, right? Would be very nice to have such a map model, with or without the frame part.

by **Dziq** » 20 Apr 2017 19:20

actually yes, its just flat surface with alpha texturing, hmmm I probably do this without frames (these will be as second model?)

EDIT: almost finished, now its consist of 4 models as seen on image below (numbers are tris amount):

I have issue with diffuse texture, now its size it's almost 5MB (2048x2048 png), tested it and at 1024 looks very blurry. I probably going to split some faces to resolve this (UV's trick), so tris amount will be (from left): 100 - 8 - 8 - 12
Is there an other method to display translucent parts on models without alpha-based images ?
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by **qreeves** » 20 Apr 2017 22:34

by **Dziq** » 25 Apr 2017 03:23

ready

I managed to lower texture sizes to 1024 (now diffuse with alpha have only 1.24 MB of size, mask and normals are .jpg which are even smaller)

by **bonifarz** » 25 Apr 2017 19:44

Looks good! I think this will be very useful, and could find its way into many new or remixed maps.

by **Dziq** » 26 Apr 2017 03:31

I think exactly the same, its very low poly and along all existing models, we have nothing similiar now
In the meantime I finished another one, just a seamless concrete barrier:

EDIT: concrete barrier and fence01 set is now available in master

by **Zero** » 29 Apr 2017 06:51

by **Dziq** » 30 Apr 2017 00:20

Glad that you liked these Zero, Im always open for suggestions and requests so no problem and no need for thanks ;p

If you can, just go to RE/dziq repository (https://github.com/red-eclipse/dziq), download it az zip, unpack it and make sure that folder with all this stuff is called 'dziq'. Now place it in your RE home folder (or RE install_folder/data) and use whatever you want. Even if you use these assets and these become a part of 'stable' version later, you can delete this folder without problems

by **Zero** » 30 Apr 2017 22:12

Sweet. I"ll start replacing grates and adding other models for now. Not only for example but hopefully for future use! Thanks for the info and how to. I'll get right on it after a little bo3 play.

There are many other models I'd request but those aren't a need but more of a want. The fencing or any barricades was a must have and like we said above. There are no blocking models. When original hostile came out I made a wooden fence and people were confused why they couldn't jump over the fence and advisors were telling me to fill in these area's so there wouldn't be any confusion. So I was forced to create my own fencing which caused low fps. Not anymore and yours looks more realistic then what I could make in game. =D

by **Dziq** » 03 May 2017 21:19

Yeah, it's always better to have less polys on a given map using models as replacements, anyway, that fence is your idea, :idea:

..so maybe share some other model requests with me and we will see what can be done

tris:

straight pipe - 80
90 degree pipe -128
U-pipe -208
valve -111
boiler -214

will be available on RE/community repo later

by **Zero** » 06 May 2017 20:18

by **molexted** » 07 May 2017 20:29

I had an idea for a simple mapmodel: a tire+wheel. Circles are notoriously hard to implement, and vehicles like those in Zero's Hostile Town could benefit from nice wheels.
Another idea I has was some rough, but flat, one-sided walls which could be oriented into a cave or other natural structures.

These are just ideas: I have no immediate need for either model.

by **Zero** » 08 May 2017 05:06

by **Dziq** » 08 May 2017 08:51

hmm tire+wheel is a nice idea, maybe another topic with model requests is a good idea (then pool what should be included next), but for now I dont know what to think about that.
molexted idea about 'terrain' mesh is a little off I think, since meshes collisions are poor and caves or such looking good using only cubes, SniperGoth experimented lately with such stuff so maybe he have an idea how this should be done

by **Zero** » 15 May 2017 03:47

Okay. This may be a little far fetched but maybe some alphabet models with numeral 0-9. With some Color or palette changes. Not sure how that works. Map creators can change the scale to specified reasons. But this would help with signs and many other things. Just a idea and is a big undertaking. Just thoughts.